bushido
Anecdotally, I think this is a much bigger cleanup than
just talking to the administration.I think there's a wider
damage done which there is no coming back from. And this
is for the USA, not Anthropic.The chance that sovereignty
and rules such as this could be applied to AI was a
concern that a lot of people had, but the risk was
unknown.Speaking for myself, I had guessed this would
happen at some point of time. I was expecting/hoping it'd
be years away.However given the events in the last few
days it greatly increases my concern with building any
product which can depend on an on an API which could go
away for a number of my customers.I've been experimenting
with other open weight models hosted in favorable
sovereign countries for a few months, but this accelerates
something which was an experiment to now being a
must-have.I don't think it is going to be easy for any of
the parties to repair this easily.
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> general1465
I see it exactly the same, self hosted LLM will be the
future. They may not be SOTA, but it is better to have
a Trabant in your garage than being denied use of
shared Ferrari, because somebody outside of your
control had hissy fit.
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> > fragmede
I like a good car analogy, but it doesn't hold up
in this case. What am I going to do with a Ferrari
that's durable and makes me money, the same way
that Mythos/Fable can output me better code than
Opus 4.x? I mean I guess I could take a picture of
me in a Ferrari, and then when I show off that
picture but can't produce the Ferrari, I look
dumb, but Mythos generated code/artifacts are
still downloadable and runnable, if you got far
enough before the cut off. Judging from the
quality/availability of the few days we had it,
it's a shared resource anyway. The usage limits
were too low to give everything to Fable to do.
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> tmaly
Back when encryption and PGP was the hot topic,
similar things happened with sovereigns.
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> daft_pink
I think they're going to have problems, because I'm
sure they have a lot of foreign employees and it's
insane to think they now have to block them all from
using their best models.
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ed_mercer
https://archive.md/KJK8v
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gregoriol
They should fly staff to EU instead
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> chasil
As I understand it, ITAR regulations for export
controls have just been applied to any form of
Mythos.These are overseen by U.S. Departments of State
and Commerce, and forbid foreign nationals from access
to any form of Mythos, either within or outside the
U.S.Only U.S. citizens and immigrants that are holders
of a "green card" may now access Mythos.It appears
that Anthropic does not have internal controls to
implement these restrictions in any form, so the only
option was to shut Mythos down.Penalties for ITAR
violation can reach ten years in prison and a million
dollars per violation. (I can post a link to those
details if there is any interest.)As long as Anthropic
is a U.S. company, there is no escaping
this.https://fortune.com/2026/06/14/how-a-warning-from
-amazon-led...
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> > benjiro29
> Only U.S. citizens and immigrants that are
holders of a "green card" may now access Mythos.It
was my understanding that not even green card
holders may access Mythos. Normally when
restrictions like this are put in place, you need
a exemption as a green card holder. A geen card is
just a permit to live and work in the US. Its not
the same as citizenship.> Security Clearance:
Green Card holders are generally prohibited from
jobs that require high-level security clearances
or sensitive government/military roles reserved
exclusively for U.S. citizens.
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> > > stult
That's not true. ITAR and security clearance
are entirely separate regulatory regimes. For
ITAR purposes, being a permanent resident is
good enough. I used to work for a defense
contractor, and we hired plenty of green card
holders. They were not in general assigned to
work that required a clearance, but plenty of
defense-sensitive, ITAR-controlled work is
done by green card holders.
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> > felipeerias
Were those ITAR export controls chosen because
they really are the most appropriate tool for this
particular case, or because they could be deployed
at a very short notice?
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> > > chasil
Mythos was advertised as being able to do
massive damage to IT systems over government
and the private sector.How could restriction
not be appropriate.
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> > bel8
So Anthropic can't even move to Europe now since
that would be considered a crime against national
security?Like trying to move a missile industry
from USA to EU.
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> > > chasil
Individuals can leave, but the company cannot
transfer restricted intellectual
property.Europe has extradition treaties, so
the U.S. can force anyone in Europe back to
the U.S. for criminal indictment who
demonstrates inappropriate possession of this
technology.
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> > > > szmarczak
Simply move the training datasets and
recreate it in the EU.However, I think the
US would treat this as treason (like they
wouldn't want nuclear scientist to work
for other nations).
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> > > > > chasil
I believe that Dario Amodei (Anthropic
CEO) was born in Italy, and is already
an EU citizen.He is probably reviewing
many exit options today.
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> > > > > > riffraff
no, he's american born. He would
be entitled to (or already have)
Italian citizenship by ius
sanguinis ("blood right") tho.
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> > > > > > szmarczak
Wow. Calling out blatant lies and
got downvoted four times with no
comment behind that. Peak HN
experience.Also that comment got
indexed by Google already.
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> > > > > > chasil
Hey, I obviously could not have
downvoted you.I had remembered
Amodei's Italian heritage and
assumed that he was born in Italy.
I've forgotten where I read this.I
was wrong.
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> > > > > > szmarczak
No worries. These days people
downvote for any reason so I'm
getting used to it.
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> throw1234567891
And what would they be doing there?
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> kordlessagain
...and take their cluster of twelve M1 Max's with
them.
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> root-parent
No need, the EU will just order more AI light bulbs,
when everything is sorted:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dUPJuSZF1Is
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> > sofixa
It's not "AI light bulbs", the point is to use
smart meters for load shedding and load
rearranging. Why wouldn't you want for people and
companies to be able to use cheaper electricity in
off-peak hours?
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santiagobasulto
> Senior technical Anthropic staffdoesn't seem to be a
political meeting, but rather a technical one. Maybe
they'll review the jailbreaks and demonstrate that can be
replicated in any model out there?
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> weird-eye-issue
How could it not be both?
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> vb-8448
I hope no, otherwise also Claude and GPT will be
banned XD
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OkWing99
Wouldn't it be funny if US Gov takes a 10% stake in
Anthropic.
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> DaSHacka
Donald Trump, if you can hear me...
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ryandvm
None of this would have happened if Anthropic had just
bought a few million dollars worth of Trumpcoin
:melting_face:
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Surac
I hope they are good at cage fighting. Thats what Trump is
all about
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MrBuddyCasino
Anthropic: "Our new models are so mighty and dangerous,
we'll limit access."US admin: "Thanks for the warning,
we'll do the same then"This was an epic (and deserved)
own-goal.(btw heres what most likely happened, they
refused to fix a jailbreak:
https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171)
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> DaSHacka
Yep, hard to feel bad when the whole reason they're in
this mess is because they tried to introduce FYD about
their own product as an argument why open models need
to be banned.
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> anuramat
> what most likely happenedsounds super biasedUPD just
look up "anthropic david sacks"> epicare you
unironically happy about what is happening right now?
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> khalic
What a dumb take, life isn't a memeThis is retaliation
by the us gov for not unlocking Claude to use on their
weapon. Not good for anybody
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comrade1234
After seeing headlines about the ufc fight on the White
House lawn and seeing headlines about how Japanese World
Cup fans clean up trash after the match I had an image of
programmers doing lawn care at the White House...
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> 4ggr0
i 100% thought this article was going to be about
cleaning up the idiocracy festival from the past
weekend. didn't even question the fact that people
from anthropic would be there to help, seemed like a
fitting asskiss.
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> tmaly
I only saw a contrast of Japanese World Cup vs NY
Knicks
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> flohofwoe
That was seriously what I thought the headline is
about. Anthropic flying in their employees to clean up
the trash after Trumps birthday party for free to
demonstrate their obedience with a good show of
licking the Dear Leader's boots.Extremely silly of
course, but entirely in line with all the other news
currently coming out of the US ;)
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mustardo
Mighty fine AI you have there, be a shame if something
were to happen to it...
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> eurekin
Also, supposedly biggest MMA event Rogan doesn't want
to be on.Something is up
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> > > kakacik
Interesting statement with various meanings
:)I just can't get his popularity, he isn't
smart, he isn't a great speaker, his opinions
on actually important stuff is often... just
sad to hear, hyping up a 'bro effect and thats
about it. Its like listening to that old buddy
from primary school who struggled to get
through high school, and now as an adult
gathered some interesting opinions about the
world, politics and humans that you really are
not interested in.Tons of better folks online,
if somebody really has nothing better going in
their short lives to listen to blahs for 3
hours, repeatedly. I guess there are worse
ways to spend time though
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> > > > throw1234567891
He helped Trump win by promoting the guy
right before the election, together with
Theo Von. For clicks, and undeniably,
money. Both are tools. One of them with a
kick of a mule, still a tool.
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> > conorcleary
'cause he's sponsored by perplexity
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letmetweakit
Nothing a few million dollars here and there can't fix ...
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> dang
Please don't post unsubstantive comments.
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> pera
Kissing the ring also helps - I won't be surprised if
Anthropic's next model goes full MAGA
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> > brookst
Cheaper and less harmful to long-term and
international prospects to just make a gold-plated
"AI Peace Prize" award and gift it in some
ceremony. Couple of hundred thousand dollars,
works great. Ask Tim Apple.
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> > khalic
I don't know, for all the bad people say about
Amodei, everybody seem convinced he'd rather burn
his company than let something like that happen
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