/u/SchillMcGuffin This is pretty fascinating. This wolf behavior probably
evolved from pups doing it to get food from elders, and
to some extent continuing to do it within the pack to
maintain social bonds. But sometimes they do it to other
predators too. And historically, when they did it with
humans, some of those humans responded favorably... and
the canine-human partnership was born. |
/u/OffaShortPier Let's just hope the bears don't domesticate wolves |
/u/PussiesUseSlashS Wolf & Bear pair were documented traveling, hunting, and
sharing food together for 10 days
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/kB14nSj
2pa |
/u/joecitizen79 So its already begun... |
/u/JerkGurk They haven't learned to fly yet right? RIGHT?! |
/u/AnimationOverlord Brought to you by Wolf x Crow ink |
/u/Teknekratos I seem to remember reading about instances of wolves
buddying up with bears, crows, and badgers (or mayyybe
wolverines)?
They truly the dog's friend-shaped ancestor... |
/u/Sunny_Hill_1 Wolf-raven pairs are apparently so ubiquitous they made
their way into Nordic mythology. |
/u/AnimationOverlord First Nation arts as well |
/u/Perfect-System2504 wolf bear eagle, this the start of some cartoon right? |
/u/calilac ManBearPig is very real, and he most certainly exists.
I'm serial. |
/u/JerkGurk Ever seen Primal tv show? Its a dude and a dinosaur but
its 10/10. |
/u/stardust1914 That show is sooo good. The amount of storytelling and
emotion with minimal dialogue is amazing. Genndy
Tartakovsky is a master at what he does. |
/u/RealLavender *bear throws wolf at human* |
/u/Ole_St_John Hopefully they don't align themselves with tigers or
we're really fucked. |
/u/joecitizen79 Thankfully a different continent. Moose, though... |
/u/eyeofthefountain And as the wolf says unto the hunter "you are no master
here, merely a visitor."
God have mercy on us all.. |
/u/turn_for_do My first thought with this was "That's a Disney movie
waiting to happen" and the top comment in there was the
same thought. 😭 |
/u/CosyBeluga There kinda was a disney movie...Nikki Wild Dog of the
North. |
/u/hypnogoad Mine was that it was a group of friends playing Druid
builds in Diablo. |
/u/user-unknown-404 Wasn't there also a pair that had a raven or crow tag
alone too so it could pick on the leftovers? |
/u/Dallas2houston120 imagine a big ass Grizzly bear in a pack of 5 wolves.
The wolves chase the prey and tire it out and pin it in
a corner and the grizzly goes in for the kill. |
/u/DoomOfChaos thats a situation where the animals are being fed, the
photographer has a lack of ethics |
/u/Funtwo34 That sounds unbearable. |
/u/DarksideGustavo Too doggy for the bears |
/u/QueensBaeee Bro really just dropped a terrible bear pun and
immediately went into hibernation. |
/u/Lenient-Hug Aw c'mon, "hi-bear-nation" was right there! |
/u/SpaceCampDropOut Ladies... would you rather be alone in the woods with a
bear and its pet wolf or.... |
/u/teamfupa Wait until they find cocaine again, have you seen that
documentary with Ice Cube's son? |
/u/Uncaring_Dispatcher I really wish they'd have named him Trey. |
/u/Substantial_Army_639 Thats probably why they grabbed the wolves in the first
place, its like nature's version of drug sniffing dogs.
When we really get in trouble is when the bears learn
how to make PCP and give it to the wolves. |
/u/slickyeat Unique friendship between wolf and bear documented by
Finnish photographer |
/u/Wakkit1988 Sounds like we're Finnished. |
/u/HeartOn_SoulAceUp "No, it's Helsinki." |
/u/DuragJeezy I'm writing a science fantasy story that takes place in
2150AD where Squirrels & Bears roam together and the
squirrels can be projectile shot from the bear. Don't
ask about what the orcas can do. |
/u/cylonrobot This sounds interesting. When is it coming out? |
/u/DuragJeezy We're 3 games deep & the webtoon is ongoing. It's called
Godtail. The Bearrels will be in our next game with
other mons you can catch & interact with |
/u/QueensBaeee "Some of those humans responded favorably." Translation:
Early humans also suffered from the fatal flaw of "If
not friend, why friend shaped?" We have literally been
falling for the puppy dog eyes for 30,000 years. |
/u/AndreasDasos Crows are on their way there |
/u/perton Identify theft is not a joke, Jim. |
/u/DrPeterBlunt "Help! A bear is attacking me; with a pack of wolves!" |
/u/YandereLady Finally a good idea to the sequel to Cocaine Bear |
/u/stilljustacatinacage I'm torn because on the one hand I'm picturing how brave
the first wolf must have been, going up to the tall
monkeys with sharp sticks to plead for food. Then on the
other hand it makes me sad imagining how hungry the poor
baby must have been to be so brave 😭 |
/u/Wes_Warhammer666 It makes me happy to think of it, because that little
bugger helped to eventually give me one of the greatest
loves I've ever known.
RiP Fishdog you magnificent beast. And thank you to the
brave and/or starving good boi who started the chain
that led to me getting her as my dog all these millennia
later. |
/u/PigabungaDude Thank you camp wolf! You were a good doggoe even if you
weren't a doggoe yet |
/u/WetAndLoose The first domesticated wolves were probably puppies
whose parents had been killed and/or eaten by humans.
Back then there was no refrigeration, so you would keep
the puppies alive to keep the meat fresh. And eventually
one of them was too cute to eat. |
/u/--Sovereign-- yeah it's definitely a juvenile behavior. one of the
hallmarks of domestication is retaining juvenile
characteristics and behavior into adulthood, makes sense
that wolves are just halfway there naturally. |
/u/JimMarch We already know of examples of play behaviors between
dogs and bears:
https://youtu.be/JE-Nyt4Bmi8
We also know of occasional literal friendships between
wolves and bears:
https://youtu.be/eUXWyKrnIWQ
I've personally seen a ferret weighing about a pound
and a half run to dogs of up to 80lbs with the same
ferret "play bow" body language seen in dogs and lots of
other carnivores...and successfully get the dog to play
with them.
Oh, and we also have more than one documented case of a
coyote befriending a badger lol:
https://youtube.com/shorts/uSGIKsi9DOA
You can see the "play bow" body language again. Ferrets
and badgers are both mustelids so if ferrets have it,
odds are badgers can at least recognize it. |
/u/alwayssunnyinskyrim My dog has successfully used this play bow to get
donkeys to play with him from the other side of a fence
on multiple occasions |
/u/Will_X_Intent I've heard there is interbreeding of wolf and dog going
on. |
/u/SchillMcGuffin That's their business. |
/u/BigWhiteDog That's been a thing with livestock guardian dogs going
back centuries. |
/u/Preeng I'd like to know how close the domestication of wolves
was to the human development of "baby talk".
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/dogs-respond-to-
baby-talk/ |
/u/Vachie_ That does make total sense. Also the combination of
lowering your head in raising your butt to perhaps be
less threatening. Just some of the icing on that cake
that You're already baking. |
/u/__dying__ Okay is there evidence though that bears positively
respond to canine puppy behavior? |
/u/Iconclast1 When you have trouble understanding how a creature can
try to communicate with another creature, or how they
would even care about them.
Biology is messy, unlike technology (lol). If they can
have feelings for their family members, that can
"accidently" transfer into feelings for other living
things. |
/u/YoungLittlePanda The bastards always knew cuteness was out weakness. |
/u/Legitimate-Tell2126 So basically, the first dog was just a wolf with
excellent begging skills. |
/u/vtosnaks This is how one approached humans like 30000 years ago
and now among his descendants are pugs and wieners. |
/u/Great_Scott7 Who doesn't like a good wiener? |
/u/thisisfreakinstupid I ❤️ tiny wieners |
/u/Mr-Crooks Amen brother 🤜🤛 |
/u/Al_Kydah You gotta be Shih Tzu-ing me! |
/u/FutureComplaint r/Dachshund has entered the chat |
/u/Daveisahugecunt I like to think humans started bowing to each other
because they saw wolves doing it... |
/u/Highland-Ranger That's actually a super interesting proposition. |
/u/theXYZT More likely, it's because we're both mammals and get it
from the same ancestral source. |
/u/Horskr I don't think bowing is like an inherited instinctual
thing as much as a learned cultural thing. |
/u/Sea-Consequence7156 Many, many animals lower themselves and make themselves
as a sign of deference |
/u/CountryRoads8 I literally have a pair of pug wiener mixes, and one
thinks she's still a wolf |
/u/sandman795 Far more likely early humans just stole puppies from
litters |
/u/BasicFlan Perhaps a bit of both. We'll never actually know. |
/u/Kraligor Is that the current scientific consensus? |
/u/PreferredSelection It isn't, but it's also not full reddit "confidently
incorrect" because it is one of the popular theories.
(Edit: Hit enter too soon)
The leading, most commonly accepted theory is called
self-domestication, and it probably did look like what
this wolf is doing here - being nosy about a hunt. |
/u/imightwin I'm stupid and can't remember the channel or the country
but there's a company that runs a YouTube channel
somewhere in Europe where they're attempting to fully
domesticate foxes and it's pretty much stealing the most
well behaved fox pups and breeding then with other well
mannered personalities in attempt to breed the "wild"
out of them
It's pretty interesting, I'm sure a quick search could
find it but yeah basically, they steal the puppies lol. |
/u/stevencastle Yeah I've read about that as well, pretty sure it was a
breeding program in Russia. They become more and more
dog-like over the generations. |
/u/ardotschgi Nah. How would they know they can be domesticated if
they didn't know of the adult's behaviour? |
/u/Starslimonada He didn't give him even a little piece. Who even teaches
these bears manners and etiquette out in the wild? 🙄 |
/u/Veecarious "Cute, but not sharing a meal cute" thought the bear |
/u/Traveler-0705 You may be cute but you ain't my type cute lol |
/u/zilla82 It's enough to let him wait around as a non threat for
whatever is left. Otherwise the wolf would be on the
menu as well |
/u/Sudden_Wind_8636 It isn't really worth the trouble for the bear to attack
a wolf. Wolves can put up somewhat of a fight, they will
lose but they can fight. Just like how there are dog
breeds made to fight bears, dogs and wolves have a
better chance than we as humans do.
If you are a predator and you can eat something like a
fish, or a rabbit, or a skunk/beaver/etc which doesn't
really have any defenses, the only time you'd really
hunt something more dangerous is when you can't find
anything else. |
/u/Sad_Accident8510 Yeah most animals really don't want a real fight. It's
why they eat babies and elderly of other animals. |
/u/OP_Scout_81 And have the GALL to burp afterwards, the BASTARDS. |
/u/kendawg9967 If the wolf had just ordered their own meal when they
were in the drivethru , this wouldnt even be an issue. |
/u/cute_polarbear Yeah...I was just waiting for the bear to at least throw
a pitty piece of meat to the wolf... |
/u/lookslikeamanderin Look at mee! I'm goofy. I'm not threatening at alll!
*looks around for the rest of his pack* |
/u/Suedocode looking away is a kind of disarming gesture |
/u/LeezusII There was another wolf behind the bear at the beginning.
I think he maybe wasn't begging so much as baiting,
trying to get the bear to chase him so that the other
guy could snag it. |
/u/Kurse83 I would bet that's exactly what's happening. |
/u/elephant_tit OK...now I see how we became best friends. |
/u/blakhawk12 It really is fascinating isn't it? Like, bear don't give
a shit, but hundreds of thousands of years ago some wolf
probably did this exact same dance with a human and the
person in question thought, "Haha that's cute," and
threw him a bone. And thus was born the greatest of
inter-species friendships. |
/u/lone-lemming Bears have a common ancestor with wolves. So somewhere
in his brain he probably understands what the wolf is
trying to communicate. Still can't have his bud lite. |
/u/steverrb I've heard if you scratch a bear in the right spot you
can get his leg going like a dog. I still haven't had a
chance to try it out though... |
/u/Jelly_Kitti Reading this comment might have influenced how I will
die. If it did, I will die happy |
/u/Rollingstone6648 Hope you get a chance to...... I guess 💀 |
/u/Salt_Sir2599 Like starting a furry tractor |
/u/taylormade311 "Greatest of inter-species friendships" I'm not saying
your wrong but horses get the short end of the stick in
this convo. We rode their backs into wars and snoopy
skips over them because he's cute and can rollover on
command. |
/u/elephant_tit Would you consider someone who rides your back into war
your friend? |
/u/taylormade311 Fair point my comment was mostly a joke but they could
have been like Zebras and said fuck humans |
/u/Alarming_Panic665 Dogs have been our friends for 20,000 - 40,000 years and
have fought, hunted, died, and warred for us all the
while. Horses have 'only' been domesticated for 4,000
years.
Hell we didn't even really domesticate dogs. As it is
more accurate to say we co-evolved. To the point where
humans have a strong, biologically ingrained affinity
for dogs. Even some theories that it was dogs which
caused humans to evolve the ability to successfully live
and empathize with other species, which laid the
groundwork for further animal domestication. |
/u/dontdomeanyfrightens Probably because dogs are much better at reading social
cues and problem solving. Gives them much more visible
personality to us. |
/u/SoulEkko 10000 years in the future, you'll see bears walking dogs
in leashes, mark my words! |
/u/Electronic-Buyer-468 !remind me in 10000 years! |
/u/FutureComplaint !remindme 10000 days
Edit: 27 years, not bad |
/u/Orchid_Significant Well now I gotta try it
!remindme 10000 weeks
Edit: 191 years. I sure hope I'm not around to read it |
/u/Matman161 "aww look at me I'm just a funny little guy, you
wouldn't mind giving me a bite?" |
/u/Kingsnake417 "Come on, fat ass! Not even a nibble??" |
/u/Talvinter He's trying to get food from the bear, not seduce her. |
/u/Prunkle Can I pet those daaaawgs? |